Preachers give the impression that God and the Serpent are adversarial, but it was God that told Moses to raise the serpent for healing. It was Jesus who said to be wise as serpents. There is a disconnect in the BS of preachers and the alleged word of God.
God is defined as everlasting, time without end, the beginning and the end, all-encompassing, infinite (which is also what space is), and the whole story of the Bible is that God was the beginning of all and God is the end of all.
What symbol from antiquity represents these qualities, other than the ouroboros?
This reptilian symbol of God the Infinite,
God of Wisdom, God the Everlasting
shows up in many Cultures and Religions
ROME
As the HALO
The All Encompassing
The Protector of Nations
With Power over Death
As the Healer
God of Wisdom
North American Indian Culture
God of Solomon the Wise King of Israel
God of the Norse
Roman God
Aztec God
God of China
God of Japan
Representation of the All Knowing in Freemasonry
God Showing up in Crop Circles
The serpent is the representation of the infinite, the beginning and the end, and all encompassing and unfathomable.
These descriptions also describe time and space.
Time goes on forever. Even if time is a circle, it continues on its path with or without humans. So space is infinite and time is eternal. Is that not the only definitions of God that we really have? Is not that divine identified as infinite and eternal? So is God merely (or divinely) space and time?
Theologians, monks, priests, and philosophers from the ancients till now have contemplated space and time with the infinite and eternal. The great mind of Einstein was consumed by discovering how space and time work, how they relate to each other, and how they affect one another. The distance to planet xyz, for instance, is the space between two points. One point is earth and the other planet xyz. Yet we define that space in time!
Again space is nothing.. Space is a void. Space is the area where nothing can obstruct its being space. If you have an empty glass, is it space that fills that glass? It can’t be because there are molecules of oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, pollutants, dust, etc. in that air that is in the empty glass. That would make space only exist where it is unobstructed between the molecules.
While space is a void, a nothing, it is perhaps the most important discovery in mathematics that the Arabians made. The Hebrews, the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, and others in creating a human usable number system failed to include nothing, void, a zero. Their number systems were cumbersome, make calculations extremely difficult. Think of how difficult it is to read Roman numerals. There is no space (place) holder, there is no zero. The Arabic numeral system was devised by some great mind that understood the concept of nothing and how important is was to mathematics.
There may be nothing more difficult to contemplate than nothing, void, zero, space.. and its infinite character. There can always be nothing, but there cannot always be something. There is always space or everything become one large mass of matter.
Are we truly in fathomless space when we travel in outer space? Or do such things as solar winds, radiation, light, sound, gravity, or vibrations, interrupt space?
Time is endless. We generally only deal with divisions of time in the most minor of methods that have been supplied to us, clocks, sundials, watches, calendars, etc. Yet those items are not time, nor is our limited divisions of time, really time. Our limited view of time is based on the revolutions and orbits of the moon, earth, and sun. Yet, time exists without the sun, moon or earth existing.
Are these attributes of time and space, not the same as God?
Just ran across this little book that uses
the ouroboros symbol to explain the endless
circle of economic policy that keeps us all
in economic slavery.
Those are some excellent points about the necessity of the void. Going along with the endless reptile manifestations of God throughout all cultures, I can also see the duality of nothing/something expressed in the variations of the Yin-Yang scattered throughout human memory. Always a duality.
Where, if at all, do you see the interplay of the Jungian Archetypes in the overwhelming similarities of the images of reptiles eating themselves?
I haven’t considered the psychology/Jungian aspect, or studied it in relation to time and space. I know the Lost in Space book touches on the philosophical and some psychological points.
My research has been through history and mythologies. Brinsley le Poer Trench wrote a very intriguing book on the Gods of Eden, that lays out a theory that we were put here to be slaves of the ‘God’, and the ones sympathetic to man’s dilemma were the ‘satans’ or fallen angels. They were the ones to give man math, astronomy, geometry, metallurgy and other arts and knowledge. Thus begins that duality of good and evil.. opposite of the bible mythology, but the great divide remained.
A rabbi once told me that to believe the Bible as the only word of God, was like using Cliff Notes and then presuming you read the whole book.
When I was assembling the Lost in Space collection, the Ying and Yang came to mind, but no one has evidently written along these lines, in relation to space and time — infinite and eternal. Infinite and eternal are the opposite of man, who is finite and limited to about 70 years.
Perhaps that is why it intrigues us so.
The good book says God is Light.. but Lucifer means light bearer.
Are they one and the same?
The fallen angels = the Titans of Sumerian myth.. The giants in the land.
The Titans were related to the Enki and Enlil clan, and were thrown off the good ship Nibiru and banished to Planet Earth for their alleged plan to overthrow the Father-god, of Enki and Enlil. Enki and Enlil are almost synonymous with the Christian God (or Jesus) and Satan.
Back to Jung.. strayed off topic.
I know Jung had high regard for the serpent symbolism, wearing one on a ring. He said the serpent was Christ, representing the omnipotent and infinite. If I remember he also thought the mouth and tail of the ouroboros was sexual, the mouth being the receptor (vagina) and tail being the penis. There is an ouroboros that is two reptiles, each having the other’s tail in their mouth. In the single snake, the entity was evidently able to procreate without a partner….
“Thus begins that duality of good and evil.. opposite of the bible mythology, but the great divide remained.”
Yes, and that brings another example to mind. There’s always two sides, generally with some fixed gulf separating them in the space/time in which they exist (for instance, the afterlife story in the parable of Lazarus and The Rich Man), often with a disinterested or all powerful observer. This falls under the dualities, and with the observer figure could also point to an embedded genetic or spiritual memory of trinities.
This observer manifests itself in any number of reality-edge situations. Users of psychedelics such as psylocybin, LSD, DMT, etc., especially those actively seeking a spiritual experience, often report a breakdown of their minds into it’s components, superego, id, etc., and always seem to report the presence among them of this Watcher.
All of this leads me to the final parallel for this comment – the Grand Designer, or Universal Watch-maker if you will, which describes God as viewed by Enlightenment-era Deists seems to fit in nicely with many of these ideas.
i.e. — Ancient of Days, Father Time, Kronos
This is exactly why Deists were NOT Christians in the orthodox and perverted sense. A lot of private arguments twixt Jefferson and Adams over religious points…